Re: Train Cleaning, Was Pass Locos

["tezza" <tezza@atinet.com.au>]

Ashley Wright wrote in message <34bfd2b9.400296@news.ozemail.com.au>...
:On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:37:17 +1100, "tezza" <tezza@atinet.com.au>
:wrote:
:
:>
:>Ashley Wright wrote in message
<34bdcdbc.10912286@news.ozemail.com.au>...
:>
:>:  As for loco cabs, and presumably city rail cabs, surly to christ
the
:>:drivers and gaurds should be expected within reason to keep their
:>:working enviroment clean.
:>
:>How? As I said before, Fireman are supposed to maintain the
cleanliness of
:>the loco cab and are only supplied with a dustpan, brush and toilet
brush.
:>If the cab is filthy, there's nothing they can do. I don't think
CityRail
:>passengers would take too kindly to the Driver stopping for 20 or 30
minutes
:>at Central to mop the floor, clean the windows and instrument panels
etc.
:
:  Well it would be hard to clean with a dustpan and brush, but I have
:no doubt that it wouldn't be hard to buy what is needed. As for city
:rail, why would it take 20-30 minutes and why at central??

Get the mop, bucket, hot water, detergent, rags. Sweep the floor, mop
the floor. Wait for it to dry - or you have the same problem all over
again. Clean the windows and instrument panel.................

:>: I work as a public servant
:>
:>You make it so easy :-)
:
:  Life is hard!!!
:
:> :(technical, not
:>:pen pusher) and the office where I worked in Canberra (which is a
:>:control room in a larger computer room), gets cleaned only about once
:>:a month by 'cleaners'. The obvisouly is not good enough but all the
:>:workers in there, many who are sloths at the best of times take pride
:>:in MAINTAING a clean (and HEALTHY) working enviroment. If that meant
:>:vacuming and mopping the floors, and cleaing the kitchen then so be
:>:it, it got done much to the appreciation of all the other co-workers.
:>
:>And management who were able to reduce the cleaning back to once a
month.
:
:  Beleive me that cutting cleaning back to once a month is not really
:what the management want. It is the fact that it is not convenient
:(for myself and co workers) for the cleaners to come in more than
:that. It may sound strange but trust me it is true.

He said *trust me* he must be telling the truth. Would you buy a used
loco off this man? :-) I thought computer rooms were supposed to be
spotless at all times, including filtered, temperature controlled air.

:>:  Provided the right cleaing aids were installed on the trains then
:>:why would it not be possible to expect drivers/gaurds/assitants to do
:>:their little bit in mainting their OWN enviroment?? (I exclude the
:>:passenger compartments from this!!)
:>
:>
:>And just where would they clean the locos? Pull up at Lidcombe
trailing back
:>through the junction so they can get a bucket of hot water?
:>
:
:  Do locos ever get stabled everywhere.

Yes. Then driver then goes home after his maybe 10 or 11 hour shift.

 :How long does it take to warm
:a loco up??

Depends how cold it is, sometimes over an hour. The Driver and Fireman
get 15, 18 or 20 minutes to prep the loco for departure.

:What does the driver do while warming up??

It's already (usually) warmed up when he gets there? If not he's
restricted to 1 or 2 notch til it's warmed up.

:I am only talking about cleaning up what mess can be cleaned up.

It *can all* be cleaned up - it just isn't.

:Obvisously there still is a need for professional cleaners,

Maybe you could find some and send them over :-)

:as clearly drivers/gaurds are not employed for that. But it dosn't stop
cleaning
:up after yourself

With a brush and pan.

:and making it easy for the professionals

You haven't sent them yet.

: to do their job. Which is after all where this thread started, the
minority of
:uncaring drivers who couldn't give a stuff about their own working
:enviroment etc.

And back to my original answer, it's not the driver's it's management
and cleaners. And fitters - someone will vacuum a cab seat, then the
fitter will sit in it with his dirty overalls, then stand on it to do
something.